Ever wish you could join in on an honest conversation with people who just “get it” when you share your challenges in ministry, marketing and leadership? Or with people who tell you what their experience has really been like? The kind of conversation that makes you say “I didn’t know I would share this, but…”?

Us too.

That’s why The Change Makers Podcast was born.

Join host Ellen Graf-Martin, as she invites you into honest conversations with her friends – who are also really interesting ministry, marketing and leadership change-makers and ground-breakers, in Canada, and beyond.

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